Thursday, December 18, 2008

Reactions to Reverend Rick Warren from My Blogger Buddies

I started a link list in my post on the Reverend Rick Warren controversy, but some of the arguments are so passionate and precise that they warrant special attention. For example, check out my "pal" Professor Nan Hunter's response on her blog Hunter of Justice:


Your election is over, pal. You won't lose any votes next time over this, but do you really believe you're going to gain any?

[]I know what you're banking on - the appeal to Americans of the anti-ideologue, the leader who solves problems, who "reaches across the aisle." But when principles are important, the public also wants a leader who has a few, who stands for something, who isn't constantly trying to please and accommodate.

I am reminded of one of Barney Frank's quips from a speech I heard him give a couple of weeks ago: "Every time Obama talks about post-partisan politics, I get post-partisan depression."

[]Historians may . . . compare your moves on this issue to how FDR mollified white racists in order to get his New Deal legislation through Congress. . . but . . . at least we got the New Deal.

What will we get from you?

[Editor's note: Strong words, Professor Hunter!]

And stop by new blog buddy Christal Phillips at the blog that shares her name. Phillips, who has a highly impressive resume (B.A. from Michigan in 2005, J.D. from Michigan in 2008, currently enrolled in Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism!), does not waste any time before dissecting this issue:


This election year has proven that it is easier for Obama to stand for nothing or remain silent on controversial issues such as gay marriage and affirmative action (because the majority of gays, women, and minorities will support him anyway) while he garners support from right-wing moderates and Libertarians.

Remaining silent is bad enough. But to invite someone like Warren to this historic inauguration speaks volumes about Obama’s commitment to GLBT rights. To allow someone like Jon Favreau to keep his job speaks volumes about Obama’s commitment to women’s rights. Until Democrats hold our leaders accountable things like this will continue because they know they can get away with it and still win.
[Editors note: I disagree with calls for Favreau to resign or for Obama to fire him, because I take my cues from Clinton on this one. I agree with everything else Phillips argues.]

And Heidi Li (both Li and Hunter teach at Georgetown Law Center) of Heidi Li's Potpourri offers a response right here on Dissenting Justice:


By choosing a clergymember whose views are homophobic Mr. Obama is affiliating himself with those views. I know Mr. Obama claims that having other clergy who are not homophobic sort of cancels out the affiliation, but that isn't how it works when it comes to affiliating oneself with haters. . . . Suppose we grant that not everything Strom Thurmond ever did was bad; he was still, in my view, irredeemable, because of the virulence of his racism against blacks. In general Mr. Obama shows an alarming tendency to think that everything is ethically equal - so one can balance keeping Bob Gates in office by making some other appointments of people who opposed the war in Iraq. But that is not how good ethical judgment works.
[Editor's note: See my response to Li in the comments section.]

Related Readings on Dissenting Justice:

The Fallacy of Obama's "Diversity" Defense: Rick Warren's Views Already Have a Place at the Table

New Obama Drama: GLBT Groups Upset That Rev. Rick Warren Speaking at Inauguration

Embracing Uncle Good-But-Homophobic: Why "Reaching Across the Aisle" to Rick Warren Does Not Feel Safe to Everyone

5 comments:

Tony the Tiger said...

I agree with you when you say this would not matter too much if Obama had not already dissed gay folk. I think he has gone too far. But like you, I never expected much out of him anyway. He has always struck me as a milk-toast "liberal," which makes him about the same as moderate Northeastern Republicans. This is awful.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Darren Hutchinson's responses here, with one important exception. Why take a cue from Sen. Clinton? The SOS-elect has, in fact, no obvious choice other than to follow the Obama administration's cue on this. Therefore, we see Obama actually reward the 27-year-old immature Jon Favreau'misogyny and appoint him to the post of Director of Speechwriters, rather than fire him on the spot. After all, it was Barack who wrote a letter to NBC telling them that as "father of two daughters I don't want them feeding into sexist-racist stereotypes in the media and I would fire anyone in my staff who said this". Right? So why should Darren or anyone concerned with misogyny's ugle societal impact NOT want to follow Obama's own advice in his letter to NBC only a few months ago? What happened since then, is that the Prez-elect's arrogance and inherent misogyny ("periodically, Hillary feels down and launches attacks to boost her appeal!" "the claws are comin' out" "Obama gives finger to Hillary--youtube) has become transparent for all to see the errors of their having placed their faith in his Empty Suit rhetoric. Inviting a homophobic, misogynist like Rev. Warren puts the nail in the coffin for Obama's own base in the next election. He will have to start praying that the evangelicals will place their faith in Him, rather than their own right-winger.
I say, bring back Rev. Wright. At least he wasn't wrong when he said this summer:

"Barack's just another typical politician. He'll say anything and do anything to get elected". I'll pray for uncle Jeremiah to return as Obama's Spritual Advisor. Preferable to Barack's promotion of women being called Nazis for having abortions and gays called polygamous incest promoters!

Darren Lenard Hutchinson said...

Anonymous - I think you replied in the wrong thread. I am going to move your comment to the one on this issue. Thanks!

Darren Lenard Hutchinson said...

Here's the thread on Favreau.

http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2008/12/nice-try-campbell-brown-but-you-are.html

msakel said...

(Sorry, Darren Hutchinson, but I couldn't post this below properly earlier and it was erroneously unedited and under "anonymous"!.... Thanks for posting this corrected version under proper thread! M. Sakel).
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I agree with Darren Hutchinson's responses here, with one important exception. Why take a cue, Darren, from Sen. Clinton? I don't think this is warranted. The SOS-elect has, in fact, no obvious choice other than to follow the Obama administration's cue on this. (But you and I do have a choice!) Therefore, we see Obama, rather than fire this middle-schooler, actually reward the 27-year old Jon Favreau's misogyny and appoint him to the position of Director of Speechwriters, rather than fire the sexist punk on the spot!

After all, it was Barack Himself who wrote a letter to NBC telling them that as "father of two daughters I don't want them feeding into sexist-racist stereotypes in the media and if I was employer of anyone who said what Don Imus did, he wouldn't be with my staff much longer"! Right then? Wrong now!

So why should Darren or anyone truly concerned with misogyny's ugly societal impact NOT want to follow Obama's own (original) advice to NBC of only a few months ago, and have Favreau's posterior kicked out of the White House?

Well, what happened since then is not a transformational experience for Obama, but yet another evidentiary flip-flop of Barack's own arrogance and inherent misogyny. Remember BHO's "Periodically, Hillary feels down and starts launching atacks against me to boost her appeal" "The claws are comin' out" "She's likeable enough" and his final insult and youtube's megahit: "Obama Gives Hillary the Finger"?

The Empty Suit's homophobic, deeply misogynist agenda should been transparent eons ago. But the final nail on Barack's empty-suit rhetorical ethics and lack of moral substance was put by his decision to invite Rev. Warren to the inauguration. Does Barack really think that the evangelicals will pray for His Second Term coming any time soon?

Baracks should have put his faith in Rev. Wright instead. At least Wright was not wrong when he said this summer:

"Barack's just another typical politician. He'll do anything and say anything to get elected".

So I will pray that Obama come to his senses and invite Rev. Wright to replace Warren of Saddleback. At least I'll know that my femmale friends won't be called Nazis for having an abortion in the next 4 years. And my gay friends won't have to be called polygamous incest-promoters and God knows what other Saddleback euphemisms. Zeus (and Hillary) help us all!

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